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Boy Scout Week Salute -- Scouts teaches young people leadership and wisdom
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Fred Goodwin, CMA
2008-02-08 18:44:35 UTC
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Boy Scout Week Salute: Scouts teaches young people leadership and
wisdom

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by Tom Norris · February 06, 2008

With Boy Scout Week upon us, I thought I'd do away with the usual
facts-n-figures and talk straight about the organization.

Some will read this and think, "That's nice, but who cares?" One youth
club is as good as the next; it doesn't really matter. But at what
point do the things we do start to matter? I suspect this is
determined by the degree to which it influences our life.

After 14 years in the service, most of that as a light infantry
officer, I feel qualified to offer a professional opinion on
leadership, something I believe laymen see as an arbitrary skill: You
either get it or you don't, but if you don't, oh well; it's not
necessary to be happy - an assumption that couldn't be more wrong.

Often left as a tangential effect, few youth organizations have
leadership at their core. The Civil Air Patrol and Junior ROTC do, but
that goes to reason. However, like baseball and soccer, they're
limited in what they offer, unlike the Boy Scouts. Think of it like a
computer or driver's license: What can you do with it? I dunno. What
do you want to do with it? In football, you're limited to playing a
game and perhaps learning something of teamwork (a result of
leadership, but how often do they study that at practice?). In
scouting, the possibilities are designed to be limitless.

Some parents tell me it doesn't matter if their son is in scouting.
And I agree - it's no guarantee of success. (Statistics hint
otherwise.) But then they extend this to say, if it doesn't matter,
why bother? You don't need a driver's license, either, but life is
simpler with one. And you don't need good grades to have a happy life
and satisfying career. On the other hand, these help in a large way.
Leadership is no exception.

--
Tom Norris, Scoutmaster

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Pubkeybreaker
2008-02-11 13:00:28 UTC
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Post by Fred Goodwin, CMA
Boy Scout Week Salute: Scouts teaches young people leadership and
wisdom
I would say, to the contrary, that it teaches them bigotry,
intolerance, and
hatred towards gays.
Beliavsky
2008-02-11 13:47:56 UTC
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Post by Pubkeybreaker
Post by Fred Goodwin, CMA
Boy Scout Week Salute: Scouts teaches young people leadership and
wisdom
I would say, to the contrary, that it teaches them bigotry,
intolerance, and
 hatred towards gays.
The "lifestyle" of many male homosexuals is a form of slow-motion
suicide, and I am glad that there are still some organizations that
stand against it.

New H.I.V. Cases Drop but Rise in Young Gay Men
New York Times, January 2, 2008
by Sarah Kershaw
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/02/nyregion/02hiv.html
t***@lcom.net
2008-02-23 17:47:29 UTC
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Post by Pubkeybreaker
Post by Fred Goodwin, CMA
Boy Scout Week Salute: Scouts teaches young people leadership and
wisdom
I would say, to the contrary, that it teaches them bigotry,
intolerance, and
 hatred towards gays.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Not once have I
ever heard
anyone in my troop or at the local level make any sort of derogatory
remarks
about gays. In fact, the young men in MY troop are quite liberal, in
these
terms, as are the adults who volunteer with it.

You'd be rather surprised at just how open-minded and liberal many of
the
scouts and adults are in this organization.

In MY troop, I don't care if a kid is gay. None of my business. I'm
only
concerned with preparing them for what lie ahead in their life. And
that, I'm sorry to say, includes ensuring they don't turn out like you
-
to wit, stupid.

Isn't it interesting how YOU epitomize bigotry, yet decry it in the
same
breath. Kettle, meet Pot.

Idiot.
R. Steve Walz
2008-02-23 19:04:50 UTC
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Post by Pubkeybreaker
Post by Fred Goodwin, CMA
Boy Scout Week Salute: Scouts teaches young people leadership and
wisdom
I would say, to the contrary, that it teaches them bigotry,
intolerance, and
hatred towards gays.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Not once have I
ever heard
anyone in my troop or at the local level make any sort of derogatory
remarks
about gays. In fact, the young men in MY troop are quite liberal, in
these
terms, as are the adults who volunteer with it.
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The BSA officially says it doesn't want gay kids as members!! What
kind of two-by-four do we have to hit you with to make you pay fucking
attention???!!
Steve
t***@lcom.net
2008-02-23 23:58:07 UTC
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Post by R. Steve Walz
The BSA officially says it doesn't want gay kids as members!! What
kind of two-by-four do we have to hit you with to make you pay fucking
attention???!!
Steve- Hide quoted text -
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Oh look, yet another yammering moron who doesn't know what he's
talking about.

The official policy is NOT TO ASK.

And on that note, how can a sane, rational person look a child in the
eye and say no, simply because they took someone to prom you don't
approve of? Why stop there? Let's just say no Jews, Mexicans, cripples
or the mentally ill, and toss in the Mormons for good measure.

How utterly immoral do you have to be to tell a child, who just wants
to have fun and play and enjoy life while they can; how can you
possibly look them in the face and say no, we don't like your kind?

Yes, that's perfectly inline with Jesus saying, "Suffer not the little
children to come unto me."

Dumbass.

And, you'll note, he didn't say, "Except for the queer kids. Keep them
behind the fence."

God almighty, you're a horse's ass. You and that other dipshit
Pubkeybreaker. It's selfish, immoral pricks like you two that make
life difficult for these kids. I mean, these are just children. Can't
you even wait until they're at least 18 to fuck with them then?

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