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The New Obama Boy Molester Scouts Break Up with Mormon Church
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No Fags
2015-07-29 07:29:42 UTC
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Closely linked since 1913, the Boy Scouts of America royally
pissed off the LDS Church this week. The reason? Allowing gay
troop leaders.

The relationship between the exclusively male leadership of the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the
predominantly male leadership of the Boy Scouts of America (BSA)
has been one of the America’s longest bromances. Now, that
relationship has entered a rough patch from which it might not
recover.

The potentially irreconcilable difference? Gay male leadership.

On Monday, the National Executive Board of the Boy Scouts of
America (BSA) ratified a resolution ending the organization’s
blanket ban on openly gay adult leaders and employees, following
the National Executive Committee's July recommendation to that
effect. Chartered organizations, however, can “continue to use
religious beliefs as criteria for selecting adult leaders,
including matters of sexuality,” according to a BSA statement on
the resolution.

“This change allows Scouting’s members and parents to select
local units, chartered to organizations with similar beliefs,
that best meet the needs of their families,” said the BSA.

As the decision came down, all eyes naturally turned to the
Mormons. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,
commonly known as the Mormon or LDS Church, has maintained a
close relationship with the BSA since 1913. A century later, the
church sponsored 17 percent of all youth in scouting, according
to the New York Times.

But the Mormon Church’s stubbornness on issues of sexual
orientation could be stronger than their love for the BSA. After
going all in for California’s Proposition 8 in 2008, the church
has remained morally opposed to same-sex marriage and campaigned
for “religious freedom protections” in the face of anti-
discrimination ordinances.

The church is now decidedly discontent with the BSA’s decision
to leave the matter of gay leadership to the local level. On
Monday, the church released a scathing statement, saying that
they were “deeply troubled” by the BSA’s decision. The church
even criticized the timing of the board’s vote, which they said
took place at a time when top Mormon leadership is out of the
office. The statement continued:

“When the leadership of the Church resumes its regular schedule
of meetings in August, the century-long association with
Scouting will need to be examined. The Church has always
welcomed all boys to its Scouting units regardless of sexual
orientation. However, the admission of openly gay leaders is
inconsistent with the doctrines of the Church and what have
traditionally been the values of the Boy Scouts of America.”

It is perhaps the most definitive sign that the Mormon Church
and the BSA could part ways since the latter began to reexamine
its policies on homosexuality a few years ago.

But the Mormon Church’s cited justification for potentially
leaving the BSA behind—that “the admission of openly gay leaders
is inconsistent with the doctrines of the Church”—is also a
puzzling one. Not only would a chartered organization like the
Mormon Church maintain control over leadership under the new BSA
policy, the church’s own internal policy toward adult gay men
actually allows them to serve in religious leadership roles,
albeit with a disclaimer.

Current Mormon policy on men who experience “same-gender
attraction”—church leaders intentionally avoid language like
“gay men”—allows them to hold the priesthood and serve in
leadership roles provided that they remain celibate and abide by
other moral standards. This marks a shift from pre-1990 policies
under which lesbian, gay, and bisexual Mormons could be
excommunicated based on their identity rather than their
behavior.

If the Mormon Church sounds like someone going through a
breakup, that’s because the BSA and the Mormon Church have
basically been in bed with one another up to this point.

A 2007 pamphlet for gay Mormons (PDF) includes the following
assurance: “President Gordon B. Hinckley has promised that those
with same-gender attraction who do not express these
inclinations may ‘go forward as do all other members of the
Church.’ If you live by the standards God has set and fill your
days with worthwhile things, your life will be full of hope and
you may expect opportunities for meaningful service, social
inclusion, and spiritual growth in this life.”

When asked by The Daily Beast how a celibate gay man serving as
a scoutmaster would necessarily be “inconsistent with the
doctrines of the Church” given this policy, the Mormon Church
did not immediately respond to request for comment.

The Mormon Church’s threat to leave the BSA behind also comes as
a shock given the religion’s prior handling of BSA policy shifts
on this issue.

When the BSA moved in 2013 to allow gay youth to openly
participate in the organization, the Mormon Church approached
the matter cautiously, saying in a statement that “[s]exual
orientation has not previously been—and is not now—a
disqualifying factor for boys who want to join Latter-day Saint
Scout troops,” provided that gay scouts, like straight scouts,
abstain from sexual relationships in accordance with church
doctrine.

In those more courteous times, the church emphasized the
“strong, rewarding relationship” they had with the BSA. But as
soon as the policy on adult gay leaders entered the
conversation, the Mormon Church’s official language grew cold,
ominously promising in May of this year “to assess how [any
changes] might impact our own century-long association with the
BSA.”

In Mormon dating culture, this is called doing a DTR: defining
the relationship. And if the Mormon Church sounds like someone
going through a breakup, that’s because the BSA and the Mormon
Church have basically been in bed with one another up to this
point.

According to an article in the church magazine Ensign, the
Mormon Church was “the first nationally chartered organization
to affiliate with the [BSA].” In addition to currently
sponsoring a large percentage of scout troops, the church’s
programs for young men are now built around the scouting
program. Furthermore, earlier this year, Mormon apostle Jeffrey
R. Holland was elected to the BSA National Executive Board. He
voted against the policy change.

In the past, the church has attempted to wield the scale of
their involvement in the BSA to influence judicial perspectives
on its leadership policy. In the year 2000, the Mormon Church
filed a brief (PDF) with other churches in the Supreme Court
case Boy Scouts of America v. Dale, which upheld 5-4 the BSA’s
right to exclude gay leadership.

“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints—the largest
single sponsor of Scouting units in the United States—would
withdraw from Scouting if it were compelled to accept openly
homosexual scout leaders,” the brief read.

“Only those who live in harmony with the teachings of the Church
and Scouting are asked to serve as scout leaders,” it added.

Fifteen years later, the BSA has decided to accept gay leaders
without the pressure of a Supreme Court ruling—but perhaps with
the help of some substantial legal threats—and the Mormon Church
may finally make good on its threat, with some in the media
speculating that the church could create a new international
organization to replace scouting.

So, after a century of mutual love, it’s come to this: one male-
dominated group wrestling another male-dominated group over the
issue of men who sleep with other men. It’s too soon to say who
will come out on top but love has already been lost. As we know
it, the warm history of Mormon involvement in scouting is over.

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Frito Pendejo
2015-07-31 16:20:08 UTC
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Closely linked since 1913, the Boy Scouts of America royally
pissed off the LDS Church this week. The reason? Allowing gay
troop leaders.
The relationship between the exclusively male leadership of the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the
predominantly male leadership of the Boy Scouts of America (BSA)
has been one of the America’s longest bromances. Now, that
relationship has entered a rough patch from which it might not
recover.
The potentially irreconcilable difference? Gay male leadership.
In Utah, the Boy Scouts is a de facto organ of the LDS Mormon cult,
and this is unlikely to change. Separation would void all those
merit badges in rites of passage like "temple cleaning" that so
many adult Mormon men brag about. I can see a spinoff, though, a
new scout organization tied to the old one but which is firmly
under the control of the Mormon cult.

Mormons adore the Boy Scouts. One local idiot got a merit badge
for raising the remains of a rusted century-old bridge -- a hunk
of iron that now sits there on the side of the road like an eyesore,
just waiting to give tetanus to passers-by. "History" they like
to call it. Mormons LOVE their history, and the Boy Scouts is
part of it. They will grumble about the new gay policy, but they
are exempt from it. As I said, they could try to spin off their
own scouting organization, but that would defeat their efforts at
pretending to be part of "mainstream" America.

One final thought: The Girl Scouts have NO connection whatsoever
with the Mormon cult. Not surprisingly, Girl Scouts does not
discriminate on basis of sexual orientation. Mormon girls do not
go camping. They belong to a variety of cult organizations that
teach them essential female skills like housecleaning, canning,
and breeding babies. Lots of babies. I raised mice once and
never saw such prodigious breeding.

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